Kyle Sawyer, co-founder of Building Allies, was interviewed on May 21st for On the Couch, with Dr. Liana and Margaret, a podcast about the “psychology and biology of our human existence.” Host’s Dr. Liana, Licensed Clinical Psychologist, and Margaret, Trained Psychotherapist discuss the founding of Building Allies, trans issues, ally work and privilege.

In this profound conversation about privilege, allyship and love, Ethan (he/him) speaks to Kyle Sawyer (they/them) about how we can shift our binary worldview into something more open, fluid and accessible to all people.  They discuss The Active-Ally Model that Kyle teaches in workshops throughout the country, the fear of death as a baseline for love and scarcity amongst those in power and how those with power and privilege can dismantle the walls they’ve built to create a more loving, equitable world.